So lets all quit bringing 200 slowcats to big fleet fights and fight like real .MEN with guns and missiles


Fixed that for ya ;)

The nerf to cloaking is SOLELY to counter the ISBoxing bomber squads. SOLELY this. And therefore, it's not getting reversed because of whining.

The anti-capital bomb with an AOE of 1m. Dude. Fozzie. Mate. How are you supposed to hit anything with this?

lets do a thought game. I am in a Hound with a Cap Void Bomb. I am burning in from 50km away aligned toward my target, who is in triage/siege, blah blah. My bomb has a range of 30,000 +/- 1m. my ship has a speed, for argument's sakes, of 300m/s. I must therefore launch my bomb EXACTLY 30,000m away ffrom my foe!

From 30km away if you launch it 1/300th of a second late or early, you miss.

OH BUT WAT IS DIS?

The server tick is 1 second! So does it launch on the server tick, or does the server (plus/minus 8-200m/s lag for Interwebs) calculate it on the actual milllisecond you press the key?

Given the reaction time of the human being is 1/30th of a second, and you have 200ms lag, you have precisely ZERO chance of landing a bomb within <1m of anything at 30km range. Hurr durr!

OK, so given a capital is a big ship, are we now saying that the bomb lands inside the foe? Or what?

TL;DR 1,000m AEO for bombs, minimum, to make them practical.

Me using a capital void bomb.

Let's not forget that this was prior to the introduction of the medium (and large?) MJD. With the addition of the 12 second flight time to bombs, this is no longer a valid concern as you have ample time to hit your MJD and escape before bombs land.

But thanks for the link all the same.

I don't see a problem. I'm sure people would prefer the mild inconvenience of jumping 100km and then having to use a bounce to regroup, over being destroyed by a good bombing run.

If all the BSs and BCs in fleet hit their MJD they would scatter in all directions. If a bombing fleet is able to cover a 200km battle field, then they deserve any the kill they manage to get.

I still don't see your point. Is your issue with having to move? Is it the MJD that you have an issue with? Do you deny that the MJD would allow you to escape the initial bombing run? or do you think that there should be no counter to a blob other than another blob?

*Accidentally dropping some RAM into a tractor unit

it could happen to anyone

don't act like you've never dropped anything only to see a tractor unit instantly grab it and pull it away from your grasp leaving you no recourse but to shoot it

I'm all for these changes. Keep it up CCP!

Cloaking is OP in EVE. Reverting the change gives cloaky blobs more rope to hang themselves as their number grow. Just because T3s/recons aren't as pervasive as bombers doesn't make them good for the game either. The mechanic is bit clunky, but it's EVE after all and somehow we will suck it up.

Changes for bubbles, firewall, etc. are great for tactical aspects of the game. I'm really happy to see them, and hope for more in the future. Stats tweaks don't deepen the game in the same way.



Like Lugh Crow-Slave said, there has to be a delay. But it takes fifteen seconds total, and anyone not listening will lose their ship anyway.

The key thing this graphic gets wrong is only one bomber, if any, will be within 5-¦ of the warp out and actually insta-warp. It's not easy to set up the bookmarks for any of them to be at the right angle. If the target is exactly between the 15km bomber and warp out, the 10km and 20km bombers are 10-¦ off. To be insta-aligned, bombers have to be 2-2.6 km of each other.

It's no better than fleet warping in except the squad isn't on DScan for that couple seconds. The insta-align workarounds spread damage out.

Couldn't care less about tech. Thing is, you just got something nuked I care about. You win. I lose. And now you show up in the typical goon style we all got used to in order to add insult to injury and see if you can farm some more tears by explaining how the people affected by that change are just too stupid to see that taking the small signature away, bombers decloaking each other and nerfed bombs are actually an improvement of bombers. No, I don't think I feel like letting myself get trolled on top of losing the only compelling aspect of eve that kept me playing.

3. EVE won't and shouldn't snoop around your computer to look at everything that is running. for reasons.

D. MONITORING

You agree that CCP may remotely monitor your Game hardware solely for the purpose of establishing whether in playing the Game and accessing the System you are using software created or approved by CCP, or whether you are using unauthorized software created by you or a third party in contravention of Section 6.

"but I should be clear that none of the people who are involved with CCP's policy towards isboxer are reading this particular thread"

then how about you let them know what being discussed here, cause right now its become a merged issue which you are refusing to accept.

Actually I'm exclusively funding my gameplay by selling a lot plexes in Jita. Plexes I bought with Gé¼. There seem to be people out there that have a need to buy these PLEX with isk. Wonder how much money CCP is making of them.